{"id":1884,"date":"2017-09-15T22:40:41","date_gmt":"2017-09-15T20:40:41","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.rouillier.com\/wordpress-socioeco\/?p=1884"},"modified":"2017-09-15T22:40:41","modified_gmt":"2017-09-15T20:40:41","slug":"referendum-democratie-bafouee","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.rouillier.com\/wordpress-socioeco\/referendum-democratie-bafouee\/","title":{"rendered":"Le r\u00e9f\u00e9rendum ou la d\u00e9mocratie bafou\u00e9e"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>La nouvelle loi travail cr\u00e9e bien des pol\u00e9miques. On dit que 66% des Fran\u00e7ais seraient contre donc seulement 44% seraient pour (je ne suis pas certain des chiffres, mais cela est sans importance pour le raisonnement)<br \/>\nEn fait, le probl\u00e8me est mal pos\u00e9.<br \/>\nDans les 66% de gens qui sont contre, en fait environ 25% sont contre parce qu\u2019ils trouvent que cette loi ne va pas assez loin (La droite), 25% sont contre parce qu\u2019ils trouvent que cette loi va trop loin (La gauche extr\u00eame) et 16% sont mitig\u00e9s, soit qu\u2019ils n\u2019aient pas d\u2019opinion affirm\u00e9e, soit qu\u2019ils acceptent certaines parties de la loi mais pas les autres.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Le rapport devient alors\u00a0:<\/strong><br \/>\nFavorables\u00a0:44%<br \/>\nPas assez loin\u00a0: 25%<br \/>\nTrop loin\u00a0: 25%<br \/>\nInd\u00e9cis mais plut\u00f4t contre\u00a0: 16%<\/p>\n<p>D\u00e9mocratiquement cette loi devrait \u00eatre accept\u00e9e<\/p>\n<p>Mais me direz-vous, de toutes fa\u00e7on 66% des Fran\u00e7ais ne refusent cette loi et elle ne pourra pas \u00eatre mise en \u0153uvre. Mais si on mettait au vote la proposition de la droite elle recueillerait \u00e9galement une majorit\u00e9 de vote \u00ab\u00a0contre\u00a0\u00bb, idem pour la proposition de la gauche extr\u00eame.<\/p>\n<p>Soit\u00a0! mais alors, que fait-on\u00a0? que proposer\u00a0?<\/p>\n<p>Si on fait un vote \u00ab\u00a0d\u00e9mocratique\u00a0\u00bb (pas une forme de r\u00e9f\u00e9rendum par oui\/non), c\u2019est bien sur cette loi qui sera choisie\u00a0! Quelle est donc cette spirale infernale qui fait que le point de vue majoritaire, la d\u00e9mocratie, ne peut s\u2019imposer\u00a0?<\/p>\n<p>C\u2019est que dans ce cas, ou il faut absolument faire quelque chose, la notion de \u00ab\u00a0contre\u00a0\u00bb n\u2019a aucun sens. Il n\u2019est pas question de ne pas faire quelque chose, mais, au contraire, de faire\u00a0! Le d\u00e9bat doit porter sur des propositions concr\u00e8tes et non sur des refus.<\/p>\n<p>De plus tout r\u00e9f\u00e9rendum par Oui\/Non et d\u00e9pourvu de sens. Les pro-oui, comme les pro-non ne repr\u00e9sentent pas des majorit\u00e9s homog\u00e8nes. C\u2019est additionner des carottes et des choux, des torchons avec des serviettes. Les Fran\u00e7ais doivent se prononcer sur des proposition pr\u00e9cises susceptibles de d\u00e9gager des majorit\u00e9s et des minorit\u00e9s homog\u00e8nes<\/p>\n<p>Revenons-en \u00e0 la simple d\u00e9mocratie, choisissons parmi des propositions celle qui recueille le plus de voix, et laissons parler la d\u00e9mocratie.<\/p>\n<p>Une petite remarque \u00e0 propos du \u00ab\u00a0slogan\u00a0\u00bb de M\u00e9lenchon\u00a0: \u00ab\u00a0un coup d\u2019\u00e9tat social\u00a0\u00bb qu\u2019il clame \u00e0 tout va. Ce slogan peut se lire de deux mani\u00e8res<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>Un coup, d\u2019\u00e9tat social, c\u2019est \u00e0 dire, \u00ab\u00a0je vous fais le coup de l\u2019\u00e9tat social\u00a0\u00bb, qui semblerait indiquer que M\u00e9lenchon avouerait qu\u2019il berne ses supporter en leur annon\u00e7ant un avenir social pour les faire bouger en sachant tr\u00e8s bien qu\u2019il ne pourra jamais leur donner<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>2. On peut \u00e9galement comprendre, ce que je crois, qu\u2019il veut dire \u00ab\u00a0un coup d\u2019\u00e9tat, social\u00a0\u00bb, c\u2019est \u00e0 dire une r\u00e9volution vers le social, vers un avenir meilleur. En fait M\u00e9lenchon se \u00ab\u00a0plante\u00a0\u00bb compl\u00e8tement, il veut critiquer le coup d\u2019\u00e9tat lib\u00e9ral de Macron, mais il avance le contraire en d\u00e9non\u00e7ant un coup d\u2019\u00e9tat social\u00a0!<br \/>\nCeci montre bien comment on mobilise les foules avec des slogans que personne d\u2019analyse et que chacun interpr\u00e8te selon ses fantasmes<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>La nouvelle loi travail cr\u00e9e bien des pol\u00e9miques. On dit que 66% des Fran\u00e7ais seraient contre donc seulement 44% seraient pour (je ne suis pas certain des chiffres, mais cela est sans importance pour le raisonnement) En fait, le probl\u00e8me est mal pos\u00e9. Dans les 66% de gens qui sont contre, en fait environ 25% [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":256,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[3],"tags":[242],"class_list":["post-1884","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-socio","tag-referendum"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v28.6 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>Le r\u00e9f\u00e9rendum ou la d\u00e9mocratie bafou\u00e9e -<\/title>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/www.rouillier.com\/wordpress-socioeco\/referendum-democratie-bafouee\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"fr_FR\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"Le r\u00e9f\u00e9rendum ou la d\u00e9mocratie bafou\u00e9e -\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"La nouvelle loi travail cr\u00e9e bien des pol\u00e9miques. 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