{"id":2744,"date":"2022-03-28T10:06:19","date_gmt":"2022-03-28T08:06:19","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.rouillier.com\/wordpress-philopsycho\/?p=2744"},"modified":"2022-03-28T10:08:15","modified_gmt":"2022-03-28T08:08:15","slug":"psychologie-psychiatrie-la-poule-et-loeuf","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.rouillier.com\/wordpress-philopsycho\/psychologie-psychiatrie-la-poule-et-loeuf\/","title":{"rendered":"Psychologie, psychiatrie, la poule et l\u2019\u0153uf"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Il existe, en la mati\u00e8re, plusieurs mod\u00e8les&nbsp;:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ol class=\"wp-block-list\" type=\"1\"><li>La psychiatrie qui relie les \u00e9motions \u00e9prouv\u00e9es par un sujet \u00e0 la production de certaines hormones. La th\u00e9rapie consiste \u00e0 r\u00e9guler la production de ces hormones pour r\u00e9guler les \u00e9motions<\/li><li>Les diverses \u00e9coles de psychologie qui relient les perceptions \u00e9prouv\u00e9es par le sujet aux \u00e9motions qu\u2019elles produisent et aux comportements qu\u2019elles induisent. Leurs th\u00e9rapies consistent \u00e0 contr\u00f4ler l\u2019analyse des perceptions pour r\u00e9guler les \u00e9motions.<\/li><\/ol>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Les neuroscience tentent de relier ces deux mod\u00e8les en recherchant le lien entre perception, \u00e9motion, et production hormonale.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Si l\u2019on s\u2019en tient aux deux premiers mod\u00e8les on se trouve devant une double ambigu\u00eft\u00e9.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ol class=\"wp-block-list\" type=\"1\"><li>Dans la psychiatrie est-ce la production d\u2019hormones qui g\u00e9n\u00e8re les \u00e9motions ou au contraire les \u00e9motions qui g\u00e9n\u00e8rent la production d\u2019hormones.<\/li><li>En psychologie on peut se poser la question de savoir si c\u2019est l\u2019analyse de l\u2019\u00e9motion qui donne sens \u00e0 la perception ou si, au contraire, c\u2019est l\u2019analyse de la perception qui cr\u00e9e l\u2019\u00e9motion.<\/li><\/ol>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">On se trouve devant le probl\u00e8me de la poule et l\u2019\u0153uf, et comme dans ce dernier on le r\u00e9sout facilement. Quelques en soit l\u2019origine, maintenant, la poule et l\u2019\u0153uf coexistent et on se r\u00e9gale des deux. Dans notre cas on r\u00e9sout le dilemme en se disant que \u00e9motion et production d\u2019hormones coexistent de m\u00eame que perception et \u00e9motions.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Le probl\u00e8me qui se pose et d\u2019organiser en s\u00e9quence, dans un mod\u00e8le, la chaine&nbsp;:&nbsp;\u00ab&nbsp;Perception, \u00e9motion, analyse, production de la pens\u00e9e, s\u00e9cr\u00e9tion hormonale&nbsp;\u00bb. Il est possible que l\u2019on puisse y parvenir en \u00e9largissant le mod\u00e8le propos\u00e9 par les neurosciences.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">PS&nbsp;: cela pose le principe de l\u2019adh\u00e9sion \u00e0 un mod\u00e8le. Dans ce qui pr\u00e9c\u00e8de nous avons pr\u00e9sent\u00e9 plusieurs mod\u00e8les de la psych\u00e9. Ils sont des formes de repr\u00e9sentation de notre m\u00e9canisme de pens\u00e9e, mais aucun ne constitue une description de la pens\u00e9e. Ce point est particuli\u00e8rement mis en \u00e9vidence dans les mod\u00e8les de repr\u00e9sentation de la mati\u00e8re. Historiquement on note diverses repr\u00e9sentation&nbsp;:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ol class=\"wp-block-list\" type=\"1\"><li>D\u00e9mocrite (360-430 AVJC) et les atomistes repr\u00e9sentent la mati\u00e8re faite de corpuscules appel\u00e9s atomes flottant dans le vide.<\/li><li>Platon et Aristote r\u00e9futent cette th\u00e9orie et pr\u00e9f\u00e8re des corps flottant dans un \u00e9ther et anim\u00e9 par une force divine. Au moyen \u00e2ge, G<a href=\"https:\/\/fr.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Galil%C3%A9e_(savant)\">alil\u00e9e<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/fr.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Pierre_Gassendi\">Pierre Gassendi<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/fr.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/S%C3%A9bastien_Basson\">S\u00e9bastien Basson<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/fr.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Robert_Boyle\">Robert Boyle<\/a> et <a href=\"https:\/\/fr.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Isaac_Newton\">Newton<\/a> reconnaissent une nature corpusculaire de la mati\u00e8re<\/li><li>Newton publie \u00e0 l\u2019occasion de son travail sur la gravitation universelle une th\u00e9orie unifi\u00e9e de la mati\u00e8re.<\/li><li>Au XVIII\u00e8me si\u00e8cle John Dalton remet en \u00e9vidence la nature corpusculaire de la mati\u00e8re et r\u00e9habilite la notion d\u2019Atome<\/li><li>&nbsp;En 1905 et 1915 A. Einstein publie une th\u00e9orie de la mati\u00e8re appliqu\u00e9e aux corps massifs, \u00e9loign\u00e9s, et dot\u00e9 d\u2019une grande vitesse. La mati\u00e8re est anim\u00e9e par des forces gravitationnelles<\/li><li>A la m\u00eame \u00e9poque Bohr et de nombreux savant \u00e9tablissent la m\u00e9canique quantiques adapt\u00e9s au corps microscopiques anim\u00e9 par des forces \u00e9lectromagn\u00e9tiques.<\/li><li>D\u2019autres th\u00e9ories d\u00e9crivent la nature \u00e0 l\u2019\u00e9chelle humaine comme la m\u00e9canique des fluides, la r\u00e9sistances des mat\u00e9riaux, la r\u00e9sistivit\u00e9, les th\u00e9ories de la tensioactivit\u00e9 \u2026<\/li><\/ol>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">On voit donc qu\u2019il existe de nombreuses repr\u00e9sentations de la mati\u00e8re dont une seule, aucune ou toutes, pourraient en \u00eatre une description fid\u00e8le.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em>La r\u00e9alit\u00e9, la v\u00e9rit\u00e9 ne nous sont accessibles qu\u2019\u00e0 travers les repr\u00e9sentations que nous pouvons en faire&nbsp;!<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">La repr\u00e9sentation d\u2019un ph\u00e9nom\u00e8ne en est une image, mais elle n\u2019est pas le ph\u00e9nom\u00e8ne. Une image est une repr\u00e9sentation d\u2019une r\u00e9alit\u00e9, mais elle n\u2019est pas la r\u00e9alit\u00e9. Une photo peut vous repr\u00e9senter mais elle ne sera jamais vous.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Il en est de m\u00eame des repr\u00e9sentation du cerveau. La psychologie, la psychiatrie, les neurosciences sont des repr\u00e9sentations du fonctionnement du cerveau mais ne sont pas sa v\u00e9rit\u00e9. La psychologie relativiste en propose une quatri\u00e8me qui n\u2019est pas plus r\u00e9elle que les trois autres. Chacune \u00e0 son domaine, son \u00e9poque, ses cons\u00e9quences th\u00e9rapeutiques. Psychologie et psychiatrie sont plus orient\u00e9es vers la th\u00e9rapie, neurosciences et psychologie relativiste plus orient\u00e9s vers la recherche th\u00e9orique.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">On est proche de ce qu\u2019\u00e9non\u00e7ait Bouddha dans son principe des repr\u00e9sentations mentales du monde Karmique (Je parle de Bouddha le philosophe et non du personnage divinis\u00e9 et d\u00e9ifi\u00e9 de la religion Bouddhiste). La philosophie nous pr\u00e9sente une repr\u00e9sentation du monde, donc discutable (comme le probl\u00e8me de la poule et l\u2019\u0153uf) la religion nous propose la r\u00e9alit\u00e9 du monde donc un dogme non discutable.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">La philosophie c\u2019est le doute, la religion la certitude.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Il existe, en la mati\u00e8re, plusieurs mod\u00e8les&nbsp;: La psychiatrie qui relie les \u00e9motions \u00e9prouv\u00e9es par un sujet \u00e0 la production de certaines hormones. 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